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In February 2003, the six residents of Washington, D.C. filed a lawsuit in the District Court for the District of Columbia, challenging the constitutionality of provisions of the Firearms Control.

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How do you know? Who wrote it? When was it published? I highly disagree.

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Did you even read it? These are stories about human beings arguing to allow the second amendment in their local area because they cant defend themselves. Don't even try to come back with "take a karate class" or something.

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You guys keep stating that guns are strictly used for killing people. WHERE did you get this from? How do you know this is true? And yes we are comparing cars and guns... this is our point. Read it again to fully understand our meaning. They are simply objects. Have you even thought about the amount of car crashes in the U.S per year? And how much they have killed? Take a look at this link!

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Where did you get this from? Explain that TO ME. Police cannot protect -- and are not required to protect -- every individual, so why should we rely on them to protect our lives every time we are in trouble. The courts consistently ruled that the police do not have an obligation to protect individuals, only the public in general. Warren v. District of Columbia is one of the leading cases of this type. Two women were upstairs in a townhouse when they heard their roommate, a third woman, being attacked downstairs by intruders. They phoned the police several times and were assured that officers were on the way. After about 30 minutes, when their roommate's screams had stopped, they assumed the police had finally arrived. When the two women went downstairs they saw that in fact the police never came, but the intruders were still there. As the Warren court graphically states in the opinion: "For the next fourteen hours the women were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon each other, and made to submit to the sexual demands of their attackers." The three women sued the District of Columbia for failing to protect them, but D.C.'s highest court exonerated the District and its police, saying that it is a "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." (Warren v. District of Columbia, D.C. App., 444 A. 2d 1). So again why should the lives of innocent people be taken away because people that are against guns say that we should.

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Gun Restrictions in The District Of Columbia

Shelly Parker

A software designer and former nurse who had been active in trying to rid her neighborhood of drugs. Parker is a single woman whose life had been threatened on numerous occasions by drug dealers who had sometimes tried to break into her house.[8][9]

Tom G. Palmer

A colleague of Robert A. Levy at the Cato Institute and the only plaintiff that Levy knew before the case began.[7] Palmer, who is gay, defended himself with a 9mm handgun in 1982. While walking with a friend in San Jose, California, he was accosted by a gang of about 20 young men who used profane language regarding his sexual orientation and threatened his life. When he produced his gun, the men fled. Palmer believes that the handgun saved his life.[10][11]

Gillian St. Lawrence

A mortgage broker who lives in the Georgetown section of D.C. and who owns several legally registered long guns which she uses for recreation in nearby Chantilly, Virginia. It had taken St. Lawrence two years to complete the registration process. She wanted to be able to use these guns to defend herself in her home and to be able to register a handgun.[12][13]

Tracey Ambeau (now Tracey Hanson)

An employee of the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Originally from St. Gabriel, Louisiana, she lives in the Adams Morgan neighborhood of D.C. with her husband, Andrew Hanson, who is from Waterloo, Iowa. They live in a high-crime neighborhood near Union Station in D. C. She grew up around guns and wanted one to defend her home.[14][12]

George Lyon

A communications lawyer who had previously contacted the National Rifle Association about filing a lawsuit to challenge the D.C. gun laws. Lyon held D.C. licenses for a shotgun and a rifle, but wanted to have a handgun in his home.[15]

Dick Heller

A licensed special police officer for the District of Columbia. For his job, Heller carried a gun in federal office buildings, but was not allowed to have one in his home.[16] Heller had lived in southeast D.C. near the Kentucky Courts public housing complex since 1970 and had seen the neighborhood "transformed from a child-friendly welfare complex to a drug haven". Heller had also approached the National Rifle Association about a lawsuit to overturn the D.C. gun ban, but the NRA declined

Maybe you should take a look at this and read to see some of the people that have argued in the recent poll for District Columbia allowing guns in their personal home. All of the people listed above have agreed to allow their information to be used.

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"A columnist for FoxNews is not accurate information, he is just writing his point of view on this topic and anyone can do that." This was stated by your member! How is a FoxNews reporter any different from an ABC reporter? You are in no position for you or your group to say that one news reporter is in a higher position than another!

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Why is that definitely not okay? Just before your team member stated that personal opinions are not accurate.. so are you going against her ?

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How do you know a columnist for FoxNews does not provide accurate information? Isn't this debate partially about posting your point of view as well as background research? Are you saying that your information is not accurate?

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If this is personal opinion this is certainly not true According to the Federalist writer Sean Davis, economic policy adviser to Gov. Rick Perry, as CFO of Daily Caller, and as chief investigator for Sen. Tom Coburn, he states that knives kill more people each year than rifles. He says that according to Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), knives are consistently used to kill people far more than rifles are used. Five times as many murders were committed with knives than were committed with rifles last year. In 2013, knives or other cutting instruments were used to kill 1,490 victims, however, rifles were the cause of death of 285 murder victims. Shotguns were used in 308 murders. Do people not kill people with knives? Should we now try and ban guns just because they kill people. This was posted above but it seems that no one payed much attention to this statement.

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How would you know their personal needs of this so called "too big and dangerous" weapons?

CharlieW(8) Clarified
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Have you ever done any research to find out about guns killing innocent people like school shooting? Way too often... is that a number... where did you get this from?

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You just stated "People with guns kill many more people than they would if they didn't have guns." May I ask where did you get this information, who said it, is this even true? Do people not kill people with knives? Should we now try and ban guns just because they kill people. On November 11, 2014 studies were shown by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), knives are consistently used to kill people far more than rifles are used . With this information should we ban knives because according to you people with guns kill many more people, so people with knives kill more people? Whats this about England or Costa Rica or Japan?

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Why did the parents leave a loaded gun in an area where the child could reach it. If you put a child in the driver's seat of a car with the ignition on, what do you think the child would do? Start to drive the car and crash. Is this the cars fault? Are cars harmful and dangerous, or is it the parents fault for leaving the car on? Is it really the object that is harmful or is it the parents? The parents are the harmful ones, not the gun. You made a point saying “way too often”. Where did you get this research from? Who said it? How much is too often… that’s not a number or a statistic. How do I even know this is true… you could be stating false information. What schools have encountered shootings, where, and why? I am questioning your statement.

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