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Yes it should be allowed No, it should not
Debate Score:87
Arguments:63
Total Votes:132
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8H: 1st Amendment- Ground Zero Mosque and Freedom of Religion

Question:  “Should an Islamic community center have permission to be built two blocks from the site of the 9/11 attacks?”

Yes it should be allowed

Side Score: 32
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No, it should not

Side Score: 55
1 point

http://www.cfr.org/religion/conversation-imam-feisal-abdul-rauf/p34814

Stopping the construction can cause the extremists to go against America thinking that the country is anti-Islam. That will bring risks of terror to all the citizens in the U.S.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
DonghyunKim(21) Disputed
0 points

Is this a fact? As in an actual quote, data, statistic, or is it an opinion that you've morphed into a fact to try and ignore the families?

Side: No, it should not
1 point

You guys are saying that having the Islamic city center 2 blocks away is disrespectful. But just down the block there is a strip club. Don't you think that is much more inappropriate than an islamic city centre.

http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2010/08/ 19/for-strip-clubs-near-ground-zero-its-business-as-usual-amid-mosque-uproar/

Side: Yes it should be allowed
Inaki(21) Disputed
1 point

A strip club has no religious connections and is irrelevant to the terrorist act.

Side: No, it should not
jadkamel Disputed
1 point

As weird as this sounds, strip clubs helped some of the people suffering.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/aug/18/usa.terrorism

Side: No, it should not
1 point

Closing Statement

The Islamic Community Center, which is known as Park 51, is a place for a memorial, not for a sign of victory. It is a right for everyone, including Muslims, to have freedom of religion. The construction should be allowed in order for the U.S. to keep what they are there for, which is freedom.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
0 points

“And if they incline to peace, then incline to it [also] and rely upon Allah . Indeed, it is He who is the Hearing, the Knowing. But if they intend to deceive you - then sufficient for you is Allah . It is He who supported you with His help and with the believers” (8:61-62)

“And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.” (9:6)

All of these verses in the Quran, tell Muslims how to act, not to be bad. Try to be peaceful. The religion of Islam does not like violence, but says it’s ok in cases in self defence. The men who committed the 9/11 bombings were not committing acts of Islam, but in fact the opposite, they were opposing everything the Quran stands for. Also, the First Amendment gives us the freedom of speech, and the right to freedom of religion. Taking away the right for Muslims to build this city center. would be very insulting, and will ruin the base of what America stands and what the founding fathers fought for.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5hVnVVJZZ7CREVicXU0M0xOOE0/view?usp=sharing

Side: Yes it should be allowed
DonghyunKim(21) Disputed
1 point

The Qur'an does tell muslims to act peacefully, and indeed the real ones are just like any other people, and the people that committed the 9/11 attacks aren't muslims. However, we aren't against the building of a mosque in that area. Muslims need a place to worship. However, why in such a place that causes pain to the families? Can't it be built somewhere else? Why do you think Germany is so careful on anything that has is even remotely related to the Nazis?

http://fjordman.blogspot.ae/2005/05/germany-outraged-at-turkish-papers.html

Side: No, it should not
DanielHamze(1) Disputed
1 point

What do you mean by the real ones? And the building you are claiming is a mosque is actually an islamic city center with restaurants, auditoriums, gyms, library, swimming pool, basketball court, and 9/11 memorial site. It also has a prayer room for muslims. Out of the 13 story building only 2 are prayer rooms.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/11/nyregion/11religion.html

Side: Yes it should be allowed
Inaki(21) Disputed
1 point

The argument here is not completely denying the Muslim people of their right to freedom of religion, it is simply asking for the mosque to be moved somewhere where it would be more adequate.

Side: No, it should not
DanielHamze(1) Disputed
2 points

There was a Muslim prayer room located on the 17th floor of Two World Trade Center (the South Tower). Since the crash no other Mosques or places of worship for muslims have been built. This will just be replacing it. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/11/nyregion/11religion.html

Side: Yes it should be allowed
FaisalJ(5) Disputed
1 point

Muslims had plans to build the city center before the 9/11 attacks had happened.

Also, some muslims had died in the attacks, having this city center at the appropriate range it is, will give the deaths of those Muslims, and others, a fair memorial.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/better-mosque-compromise-chair-community-board-interfaith-center-park51-project-article-1.206567

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/religion-july-dec10-groundzero_08-10/

Side: Yes it should be allowed
jadkamel Disputed
1 point

While having an islamic community center might seem extremely beneficial to muslims, putting near ground zero would make the radical islamist believe that they are victorious over Americans, as they would think that they blew up their tower and replaced it with a mosque, this mentality of extremist islam, is extremely dangerous to the islamic community and to non-muslims. This would all be avoided if the community center would be in a different location.

http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/07/ground-zero-mosque-islam-opinions-columnists-abigail-esman.html

Side: No, it should not
0 points

Muslims have the same right to build a house of worship in Lower Manhattan and to pray for the victims of 9/11 as any other group. Approximately 60 Muslims were murdered in the 9/11 attacks.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/better-mosque-compromise-chair-community-board-interfaith-center-park51-project-article-1.206567

Side: Yes it should be allowed
Inaki(21) Disputed
1 point

Muslims do have the right to pray for victims, but this building is still very insensitive as the terrorist act was done in the name of Islam.

Side: No, it should not
DanielHamze(1) Disputed
1 point

The people he were the cause of the 9/11. Claimed to be muslims but where just extremists. In the Quran Muslims holy book, what we live by claims “Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.” (2:190-191)

As stated it says and do not fight them at al-masjid. Al-masjid means mosque or place of worship. There was clearly a Muslim prayer room located on the 17th floor of Two World Trade Center (the South Tower).

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/11/nyregion/11religion.html

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/religion-july-dec10-groundzero_08-10/

Side: Yes it should be allowed
DonghyunKim(21) Disputed
1 point

Build it further away. Don't you even think that this is the logical thing to do? We never said that there shouldn't be a mosque, so why continuously bring this up?

Side: No, it should not
DanielHamze(1) Disputed
2 points

Whether its 2 blocks or 10 blocks once they see it wont it bring up bad memories?

Side: Yes it should be allowed
jadkamel Disputed
1 point

And approximately 2917 non-muslims were killed by the name of Islam. It is unfortunate to all those that lost their lives, but using their deaths to justify building a community center close to where so much devastation happened, is extremely inappropriate.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/27/us/september-11-anniversary-fast-facts/

Side: No, it should not
FaisalJ(5) Clarified
1 point

No justification using the names of the people who died in the attack was used. Yet, it seems that all of your arguments are opinion based and no fact to back it up. We have sourced many times that muslims had the right to this property before 9/11 attacks, it wouldn't be letting the terrorists win if we continue the building process of this, but the opposite it would show that no matter what the terrorists do, we will stick together, at the mention of this, there is also a strip club just down the street from this community center. It is insulting that you demand we move this community center, using the fact the families have been hurt, while not thinking about this strip club which is bad for the environment around the area. The Community center would surely help instead of hinder like this strip club, that has been allowed to stay.

http://www.usip.org/olivebranch/2015/03/17/muslims-condemning-violent-extremism-count-the-ways

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/religion-july-dec10-groundzero_08-10/

http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2010/08/ 19/for-strip-clubs-near-ground-zero-its-business-as-usual-amid-mosque-uproar/

Side: Yes it should be allowed
2 points

60% Of all Americans believe that Park 51 should not be built. More than 70 % of Americans believe that Park 51 is insensitive, That’s more than 223230000 people. If more than 223230000 people think that building a mosque there is extremely insensitive, shouldn't they at least reconsider the location of Park51

http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2011799,00.html

Side: No, it should not
jadkamel Clarified
0 points

Just because you have the right to do something, doesn't mean the people are going to allow it to happen, especially in a democratic country, the people have the power.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
2 points

Our final points:

We aren't against the mosque; we simply wish it could be built further away. We aren't against free religion; we are considerate to the families in pain. We don't ignore the economic benefits; we feel mental health and well-being is more important than money.

Feel free to post further.

Side: No, it should not
1 point

As most muslims know that they should be considerate to others, as they are told to in the Qur'an, they should at least consider this.

Source: A muslim.

Side: No, it should not
1 point

From all of you for the building of the mosque, I'd like to hear your opinions on the families.

You argue for the rights of minorities yet ignore the 'small' number of families that feel sensitive about it. You argue for the economic benefits while ignoring the mental damage it'll cause.

We also don't have just one source. Here are some more, but I'm sure you'll read it. 100%.

http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2011799,00.html

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/senators-isakson-snowe-mccain-ground-zero-mosque-‘insensitive’

Side: No, it should not
1 point

Building the mosque so close could also end badly for Muslims, there could be protest and a possibility of violence because of the controversial location. The safety of the Muslims would be guaranteed if the mosque were built farther away. Security experts have also spoken against the construction.

http://americamagazine.org/content/all-things/park51-reviewed-religious-leaders-security-experts

Side: No, it should not
1 point

Feisal Abdul Rauf is known for being close allies with Saudi Arabia, where wahabi islam thrives. As most mosques in america are funded by Saudi Arabia, the intentions of this islamic community center will have influence by Wahabi islam. Wahabi islam is one of the causes for islamic extremism.

http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/07/ground-zero-mosque-islam-opinions-columnists-abigail-esman.htmls

Side: No, it should not
1 point

Constructing a Mosque so close to Ground Zero is offensive, just like the swastika is prohibited in Germany because of the holocaust. Another example is how Christians found in Mecca are arrested, a whole city where Christians aren't allowed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/4178643.stm

http://www.wnd.com/2007/05/41788/

Side: No, it should not
1 point

Just because the families are against the mosque doesn't mean they're against free religion. They are just so scarred that they don't want to be reminded of the site. Furthermore, do you know how they are funded? In fact, nobody does, because they refuse to specifically cite where they're getting it.

Rather interesting, isn't it? Why is a funding matter so difficult to reveal?

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/08/17/kt-mcfarland-ground-zero-mosque-god-september-obama-imam-feisal.html

Side: No, it should not
0 points

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfdINOga9F8

Park51 should not be built so near ground zero. It is inconsiderate to all the families that are still traumatized by the 9/11 attacks, the people responsible behind the mosque refuse to state where they are receiving the money, and even muslim leaders agree that a mosque should be a place of happiness, and if it will cause so much pain to the families, it will be better if the mosque isn't built.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/14/nyregion/14center.html?_r=0

Side: No, it should not
FaisalJ(5) Disputed
2 points

There is no question on if the city center should be built, it is in our rights to have it built, and its the base of what America stands for. It is a right that is inalienable.

http://www.state.gov/j/drl/irf/

Side: Yes it should be allowed
Inaki(21) Disputed
1 point

The city center should be built, it would just be a lot more appropriate if it is built in another location.

Side: No, it should not
jadkamel Disputed
1 point

While it is a right, it's also extremely insensitive. How would you feel if Japanese people came to America, and built a Japanese community center next to pearl harbour?

Side: No, it should not
DonghyunKim(21) Disputed
0 points

Is there a right in the constitution that allows a city center that causes so much pain to the families to be built? Is it not so much easier for all sides for the mosque to be built a few blocks away?

Side: No, it should not
Yongha(12) Disputed
1 point

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/07/ground-zero-park51-new-york

According to this news article, Park 51 isn't a mosque, but a Islamic community center. The center is public, which means it is open to everyone. Where did you get the information saying that Park 51 is a mosque?

Side: Yes it should be allowed
DonghyunKim(21) Disputed
1 point

That's like saying a church with a gym isn't a church; it's a church. Of course this is a 13-story tall community center. However, it is based around a mosque. In essence, it's a fancy mosque.

Don't bring up economic benefits of the thing; instead think of all the families that will be affected by it.

Side: No, it should not
0 points

Many families of victims are currently suffering from their deaths of their brothers, sisters, parents etc. This is a very sensitive subject and it would be considered rather insensitive to build the mosque so close to ground zero. Many of families of the victims of 9/11 oppose the mosque being built so close. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/religion/man-behind-mosque/911-families-and-the-mosque-controversy/

Side: No, it should not
Yongha(12) Disputed
2 points

http://islam.about.com/od/terrorism/a/Muslim-Victims-Of-9-11-Attack.htm

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-09-03-1Amuslims911 CVN.htm

According to these websites, there were quite a few of Muslim victims (About 60) in the 9/11 Attack. These Muslims are victims as well, and their families should be able to do tributes. Their right cannot be taken away even though the number is small compared to the total number of victims.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
DonghyunKim(21) Disputed
0 points

We don't support taking away their rights. We never did. We believe that it should be built further away.

Side: No, it should not
DanielHamze(1) Disputed
0 points

The project isn't a mosque." It's a community center with a library, gym, auditorium, and restaurant. Yes, it will include a mosque. It will also host events to facilitate "multifaith dialogue." It isn't at Ground Zero—it's two blocks away, in what used to be a Burlington Coat Factory

http://www.slate.com/articles/newsandpolitics/framegame/2010/08/islamisgroundzero.htm

Side: Yes it should be allowed
jadkamel Disputed
0 points

You can't deny the fact that this project is primarily based for islam, as it is an "islamic community center" http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Park51

Side: No, it should not
DonghyunKim(21) Disputed
0 points

Yes, it is in a place where the Burlington Coat Factory used to be because they had to tear down the 100+ year old memorial. Another thing that has to be destroyed because people can't be flexible and build it 7-8 blocks away where it isn't so closely related to the 9/11 attacks.

Of course it's not at Ground Zero; there's the memorial there.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/14/nyregion/14center.html?_r=0

Side: No, it should not
0 points

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial opinion/oped/articles/2010/06/06/amosqueatground_zero/

Even the muslim leaders in the US agree that the mosque shouldn't be built so close to ground zero. They say that a mosque should be a place of joy and happiness, not pain and grief.

Expressing freedom of religion does not have to come in such a polarizing way.

Side: No, it should not
Yongha(12) Disputed
2 points

http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2010/08/ 19/for-strip-clubs-near-ground-zero-its-business-as-usual-amid-mosque-uproar/

According to this website, there are two strip clubs in three blocks. It is disrespectful for those who were murdered in 9/11 attack. If the right of these inappropriate places are preserved, then why not for the Islamic Community Center where people visit for memorial?

Side: Yes it should be allowed
0 points

The estimated minimum number of New Yorkers suffering from PTSD as a result of 9/11 is 422,000. As a direct result of 9/11, there have been 1,300 orphans,

alcohol consumption went up by 25% and cigarette usage increased by 10 %. All of these terrible things happened because of what terrorists did in the name of islam. The tragedy of 9/11 didn't just stop at the towers, these facts eventually led up to even more death and despair. Ground Zero should be a memorial for what has happened to all those effected, not a site for any religion.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/aug/18/usa.terrorism

Side: No, it should not
0 points

Constructing a mosque where thousands of people were killed in the name of Islam is disrespectful. It is common in many other places for religions to not be allowed in specific places. Here is a christian who was arrested at Mecca for being there. http://www.wnd.com/2007/05/41788/

Side: No, it should not
0 points

A large portion of New Yorkers and Americans are against the building of Park 51 so near to Ground Zero. The opinion of the people should be taken into account. Even senators have spoken against the location proposed for the building: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/us/politics/17mosque.html?_r=1&hp;http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/senators-isakson-snowe-mccain-ground-zero-mosque-‘insensitive’

http://www.nysenate.gov/press-release/statement-senate-republican-leader-dean- skelos-31

Side: No, it should not
DanielHamze(1) Disputed
1 point

You guys have many senators on your side and thats great. But Obama says "As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country," Barack Obama. "That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan in accordance with local laws and ordinances," he said. "This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable." Barack Obama. Everything Obama says has hard facts in it and he uses to the law to back him up. "President Obama is wrong," said Rep. Peter King, whose district is on Long Island, N.Y. "It's insensitive and uncaring for the Muslim community to build a mosque in the shadow of ground zero." He is the senator of NY Long Island and he just uses how he feels to dispute Obamas quote.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/president-obama-supports-building-mosque-ground/story?id=11401964

Side: Yes it should be allowed
0 points

Building the mosque so close could also end badly for Muslims, there could be protest and a possibility of violence because of the controversial location. The safety of the Muslims would be guaranteed if the mosque were built farther away. Security experts have also spoken against the construction.

http://americamagazine.org/content/all-things/park51-reviewed-religious-leaders-security-experts

Side: No, it should not