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Yes it should be allowed No, it should not
Debate Score:93
Arguments:64
Total Votes:113
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8D: 1st Amendment- Ground Zero Mosque and Freedom of Religion

Question:  “Should an Islamic community center have permission to be built two blocks from the site of the 9/11 attacks?”

Yes it should be allowed

Side Score: 44
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No, it should not

Side Score: 49
2 points

A wise man named Ouida has said "I understand the anger, the bitterness and hatred, but it only generates more hatred, Such a large part of the world has this faith, and to say anyone who has this faith is a terrorist, it's terrible."

Side: Yes it should be allowed
raniam(16) Disputed
1 point

So if your saying it causes more hatred, then why build it, "I understand the anger, the bitterness and hatred, but it only generates more hatred"

How is there faith if everything that is going on is terrible.

Side: No, it should not
muskapopal(7) Disputed
1 point

No, he is saying that he understands the hatred that few Americans have on Muslims. Not on the topic of building a mosque.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
raniam(16) Disputed
1 point

Who is this wise man if he is so important tell me about him.

Side: No, it should not
1 point

Hello, this is Jae, Mikail, and Muska. Today we will be arguing about how a mosque should be allowed to be built within 2 blocks from the 9/11 site (ground zero). We think it should be allowed because according to the first amendment of the Bill of Rights, everyone has the right to religion and peaceful assembly./ Therefore as long as the Islamic community center doesn’t impose any threat to the local community it should be allowed. 9/11 happened 13 years and 8 months ago, don’t you think things have changed since then?

Plus, Al Qaeda was an extreme branch of few individual Muslims, and we shouldn’t judge the religion Islam just with the case of Al Qaeda. Hopefully after you have heard this you will understand our point of view that a mosque can be built on 2 blocks ground zero site.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
karan-aime(5) Disputed
2 points

"As long as the Islamic community center doesn't impose any threat to the local community it should be allowed." The Islamic center does impose a threat as anti-muslim extremists might target it for attacks and would endanger innocent New Yorkers.

Side: No, it should not
jaejeon(11) Disputed
1 point

There are multiple mosques everywhere. Just because it's built next a terror site, doesn't make it so special to the Anti- Extremists

Side: Yes it should be allowed
1 point

I say that Muslims should be able to have a mosque built 2 blocks away from the 9/11 site because that event, as we said, that happened 13 years and 8 months ago. The security in America has increased since then. Not only did Christians or Jews or any other people with different religions have died, but so did Muslims. 10% of the victims during the attack were Muslims.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
karan-aime(5) Disputed
2 points

Your assumption is that America's security has increased but terrorists have not upgraded their weapons, although that is not true and sadly terrorists have gotten deadlier weapons which imposes threats.

Side: No, it should not
muskapopal(7) Disputed
1 point

Which terrorists are you talking bout? the Americans? America is a strong country when talking about weapons, they use the tax people pay and turn that money to buy deadlier weapons.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
1 point

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said that "we would play into our enemies' hands" if we were to deny American Muslims the right to build a mosque where they choose. "To cave to popular sentiment would be to hand a victory to the terrorists," Bloomberg said. New York Congressman Jerrold Nadler, a mosque supporter, says, "Everybody's liberty is at stake here."

Side: Yes it should be allowed
juliesmileys(6) Disputed
1 point

Saying that everyones liberty is at stake doesn't apply to the muslim countries, mosques shall not be built unless saudi arabia allows churches to be built, in the UAE, the churches look like regular buildings, I have been to one, the buildings look robust, it is a shame and embarrassment to treat churches like that. Liberty doesn't apply to the women here as well. Not everyone has liberty so why make a acception when muslims don't let churches be built.

Side: No, it should not
1 point

Politics is more than childish payback. Just because Saudi or other countries don't let churches built in their countries doesn't mean America, as the world's most developed country, has to follow that.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
1 point

Mr. Khan, a executive director of the Muslim society, mentioned "The time for a center like this has come because Islam is an American religion," Khan said. "We need to take the 9/11 tragedy and turn it into something very positive."

Side: Yes it should be allowed
1 point

I get that there are more people opposing the mosque built, so you don't have to keep mentioning the poll. However I can tell you that the people aren't thinking deep enough. Mosque is not a threat.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
1 point

Closing Statement

Mosques are everywhere, and it is not a special threat. Plus just because few other Muslims countries are not allowing Christians doesn't mean America has to pay back like children do.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
0 points

"As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country," - Barack Obama

http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/americas/obama-gives-backing-to-islamic-centre-in-manhattan

Side: Yes it should be allowed
juliesmileys(6) Disputed
1 point

The president can't decide for the whole country, the people voted for the president, and since the majority of the people say no to the building, why anger those people?

Side: No, it should not
MikailRawji(12) Disputed
1 point

If the president was voted as president then most Americans were on his side meaning they agree what he says, so if he says a mosque should be allowed to be built then most people of America will agree with him.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
raniam(16) Disputed
1 point

If your a citizen that cares about your country then, you shouldn't build the mosque, because your country won't be chaotic.

Side: No, it should not
MikailRawji(12) Disputed
1 point

What about all the people that want the mosque? They would be angry too if the masque was not built.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
2 points

Introduction -

Thank you for coming today, our discussion consists of the 1st amendment freedom of religion. As stated our opinion, is that the Ground Zero mosque shall not be built near the 9/11 crash site. You may have your reasons for the mosque to be built, but we are counter debating your opinion.

These are our opinions and facts on why the Ground Zero Mosque shall not be built

Many people are still mourning about their loved ones, in 2013 bodies were

found near the crash site, if they are planning to construct a mosque in this area, then some bodies might not be found. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/human-remains-found-new-9-11-debris-ar

ticle-1.1306464 - 2013, bodies found

In America the twin towers were attacked, so why would they replace such a great site with something that they could build elsewhere, all the people that died there, could make America look bad in the press and to the world, just because they are building a mosque in a sacred place to mourn about the people that died there.

(If the imam and the Muslim leaderships in that community are so intent on building bridges, then they should voluntarily move the mosque away from ground zero and move it whether it's uptown or somewhere else, but move it away from that area.)

People should listen to the majority of the public opinion. America has many problems, they are already are in a major debt, about $1.8 billion just from the Iraq war. So why use money on a building, that 61% of people are opposing against and only about 26% that support the construction of the Ground Zero Mosque. http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2011799,00.html

If it is built, it could endanger New Yokes because of Anti-Muslim extremists. These people might and could target this building for more attacks, this could lead to a whole new 9/11 attack. http://wtcmuslimcenter.procon.org/

After this debate, I hope you can change your view of the whole situation to match ours. Remember : Not building the Mosque would be better for the American government.

Side: No, it should not
MikailRawji(12) Disputed
2 points

They are not replacing the Twin Tower with the mosque, they are building it 2 blocks away!

Side: Yes it should be allowed
juliesmileys(6) Disputed
0 points

well, you can call it that, but it is close to the site of the 9/11. In 2013 bodies were found close to the site, so why not build the mosque further away from the 9/11. The twin towers were important to the Americans, and building the mosque with so many people against it, could lead to another attack, so why endanger the New Yorkers?

Side: No, it should not
jaejeon(11) Disputed
2 points

First of all, America's debt has nothing to do with the construction of the mosque. The mosque is built with the Muslims' money, not the government's, and even if the government is paying for it, how much money does it take?

Side: Yes it should be allowed
juliesmileys(6) Disputed
1 point

The money will be enough to put the american government more in debt. What about all those victims that died there, don't you feel sympathy for those people who are still mourning?

Side: No, it should not
raniam(16) Disputed
1 point

Actually it does Jae because, the muslims are "trying" to build it in America. Even if America is a free country and can do whatever they want there are zoning laws.

Side: No, it should not
2 points

Is a potential symbol of victory at the site of one of Islam’s most horrific acts in history. “We destroyed the World Trade Center,” the radical Islamic world will say, “and replaced it with a mosque–there, in the financial hub of New York City, the capitalist center of the world.”

Side: No, it should not
MikailRawji(12) Disputed
2 points

But the people that did the act of 9/11 aren't real Muslims, they are people that think they are muslims and they are doing good for Islam but they really are not. Muslims are people that worship Allah and are nice people.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
MikailRawji(12) Disputed
1 point

But only about 2% of Muslims are bad people, the rest 98% of people want the mosque to be built simply because they want to worship their god.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
juliesmileys(6) Disputed
1 point

The people in the UAE and saudi arabia who are christians wont to worship god, but they don't get to, because they don't agree with the terms of the Christians, so why are they wanting a mosque in america when they already have one 4 blocks away, its like they want to turn America into a muslim country.

Side: No, it should not
2 points

Even though it wasn’t all muslims that were involved it was still there religion and it’s there responsibility to demolish any bad beliefs from hurting other human.

http://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/04/should-a-mosque-be-built-near-ground-zero/?_r=0

Side: No, it should not
2 points

70% of Americans oppose of the building because of the hatred of muslims and it’s an insult. Plus they don’t want a mosque marking the site of the 9/11 attacks.

Side: No, it should not
jaejeon(11) Disputed
2 points

I agree. However they're aren't thinking deeply. They don't understand that it is not a threat at all. They just assume 9/11--->Muslims----> Dangerous. Again, mosques are everywhere.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
muskapopal(7) Disputed
1 point

Rania, why is it an insult to build a house of God? 9/11 only happened from 19 Muslim arabs, there are 1.97 billion Muslims in the world.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
2 points

People should listen to the public opinion not more powerful people in small groups, most people were against building the mosque and they choose the president so we should listen to those people.

Side: No, it should not
2 points

Don't you remember it was muslims who were responsible for 9/11. Since it was Islamic radicals that destroyed the 9/11 attacks then why should we trust them to build a mosque. >:(

Side: No, it should not
1 point

This Mosque shall not be built, why not build it somewhere else, all those people that died, the victims families are still mourning. Stop and think about it! Why, should this building be built when so many people are arguing against it, this could lead to a new attack from the americans.

Side: No, it should not
muskapopal(7) Disputed
3 points

Why should the Americans attack, that would make them a terrorist. Also, 2.77 million Americans are Muslim.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
juliesmileys(6) Disputed
1 point

They would attack because there are a lot of anti muslims in America. They could attack out of anger (rebel). Just like the muslims did to the twin towers they might be after revenge.

Side: No, it should not
1 point

The government will be spending a lot of money on something the people don’t agree on, since the majority of people are against it, they won’t go to the building. If there isn’t good business, then the building would go out of order/business, then the government used their money for a building that only lasted a couple of moths or years

Side: No, it should not
jaejeon(11) Disputed
1 point

You keep saying the government is paying for the mosque... It isn't.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
juliesmileys(6) Disputed
1 point

Well, if they aren't then why are the muslims paying when they are building in the american country, and why build another mosque when you have one 4 and 12 blocks away?

Side: No, it should not
1 point

CNN, Rasmussen, and Quinnipiac polls show that 68%, 54%, and 71%, respectively, of Americans feel that the "Ground Zero Mosque" should not be built at its proposed location.

Side: No, it should not
MikailRawji(12) Disputed
1 point

But have they asked every single person in America about it? Maybe most of the people they asked didn't want the mosque but the few people they asked shouldn't be the representatives of such a big country.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
1 point

People should listen to the public opinion, and not powerful people in smaller groups, the votes of the people count, they choose the president, so why not listen to them, a bigger population of people, are against this build, people died in this area, not long ago there were bodies found, therefore, it would be cruel to build something over or close to a mourning/ and still a un-searched sight.

Side: No, it should not
1 point

If the imam and the Muslim leaderships in that community are so intent on building bridges, then they should voluntarily move the mosque away from ground zero and move it whether it's uptown or somewhere else, but move it away from that area.

Side: No, it should not
1 point

If it is built, it could endanger New Yorkers because of Anti-Muslim extremists. These people might and could target this building for more attacks, this could lead to a whole new 9/11 attack. http://wtcmuslimcenter.procon.org/

Side: No, it should not
1 point

"They should listen to public opinion, they should listen to the deep wounds and anguish that this is causing to so many good people. And if the imam and the Muslim leadership in that community is so intent on building bridges, then they should voluntarily move the mosque away from ground zero and move it whether it's uptown or somewhere else, but move it away from that area, the same as the pope directed the Carmelite nuns to move a convent away from Auschwitz…

There is no doubt that to have a 13-story, $100-million edifice within two blocks of ground zero -- in fact, parts of the jets which crashed into the World Trade Center actually crashed into this building as well, that's how close it is to it -- is -- it does open the wounds. It does put salt in the wounds." - Peter King

Side: No, it should not
1 point

CLOSING STATEMENT

After this debate, I hope you can change your view of the whole situation to match ours. Remember : Not building the Mosque would be better for the American government.

Side: No, it should not
1 point

Closing Statement:

I hope you can change your view of the whole situation to match ours. Remember : Not building the Mosque would be better for the American government.

Side: No, it should not
0 points

There should be no Islamic center near 9/11 attack site at least until Jews and Christians are allowed into Mecca or Churches are allowed in Saudi Arabia. Muslims who call for tolerance should address their own practices before criticize America's.

Side: No, it should not
jaejeon(11) Disputed
2 points

Politics is more than childish payback. Just because Saudi or other countries don't let churches built in their countries doesn't mean America, as the world's most developed country, has to follow that.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
juliesmileys(6) Disputed
1 point

If america is a well and most developed country, then why do they want another mosque when they have one 4 blocks away, why don't they save the spot so that people can still think of their loved ones?

Side: No, it should not
muskapopal(7) Disputed
2 points

There are already Mosques in America, the one near the 9/11 site wouldn't the first one. Then why are there Churches in the U.A.E, Syria, Lebanon, and other Muslim countries.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
raniam(16) Disputed
2 points

Exactly so why shouldn't be building this mosque. For example they have a mosque that is four blocks away and another one thats 12 blocks away

Check Here: http://www.factcheck.org/2010/08/questions-about-the-ground-zero-mosque/

Side: No, it should not
-1 points

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Side: No, it should not