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38
54
Yes it should be allowed No, it should not
Debate Score:92
Arguments:42
Total Votes:105
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 No, it should not (24)

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8B: 1st Amendment- Ground Zero Mosque and Freedom of Religion

Question:  “Should an Islamic community center have permission to be built two blocks from the site of the 9/11 attacks?”

Yes it should be allowed

Side Score: 38
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No, it should not

Side Score: 54
3 points

Opening statement:

Religious freedom is a major issue in the world today. Having said that we should not be discriminating against different religions across the world. One major issue as an example is building a mosque near ground zero. This should not be a problem when religious freedom is protected by the first American amendment, that states “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise there of”. If we are truly to believe in the bill of rights this should be considered when you would come to argue this point.

Today we will be discussing about the plan to build a mosque, 2 long city blocks away from ground zero. Freedom of religion is part of the first amendment which applies to everyone. Only one floor out of a five floor building is going to be for prayer. It does no harm. Just because a small group of muslims did something bad that does not mean that the people can accuse the whole religion. There are good and bad people everywhere in the world, but no one seems to pinpoint there entire race and or religion. Religion is to be preached wherever and whenever pleased and one should not have the government interfere. Someones actions should not affect the entire race and, or religion/ belief. Therefore there should be no issue in building the mosque in its original location.

Thank You

Side: Yes it should be allowed
zackkawa(8) Disputed
4 points

First of all there was never a mosque at the site of ground zero where the World Trade center used to be. There was a prayer room in the Southern Twin tower but never a mosque. It's not a legal matter, as Islam promotes equality and the majority doesn't want the mosque there, you should listen.

Side: No, it should not
3 points

i think that a mosque in ground zero should be allowed because it is clearly stated in the first amendment that you can practice your religion freely in USA

Side: Yes it should be allowed
3 points

according to http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2011400,00.html

they are planning not only to include a prayer but also a swimming pool,basketball court and many other facilities which is open to the public

Side: Yes it should be allowed
zackkawa(8) Disputed
4 points

Two floors our occupied by a mosque in that community center and which means there is still a mosque in that area which means there will be great protest and riots from the New York people because there are majority Christians and Jews who have already started to go against this according so several polls.

Side: No, it should not
2 points

According to: http://abcnews.go.com/US/ground-mosque-wins-legal-battle-build/story?id=14062701

Obama says: "As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country," - Barack Obama

This means that he believes that muslims have the same right to practice their religion

Side: Yes it should be allowed
Rufat(23) Disputed
3 points

New York has over 100 Mosques and can be freely used by Muslims for worship. Building anywhere else would make everyone satisfied. Several well-known Muslims agree, including Zuhdi Jasser, President of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, and Stephen Schwartz, Executive Director of the Center for Islamic Pluralism. The Muslim Canadian Congress added: "We believe the [Park51] proposal has been made in bad faith and, in Islamic parlance, is creating 'fitna,' meaning 'mischief-making,' an act clearly forbidden in the Qur’an."

Side: No, it should not
2 points

according to http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/05/07/new.york.ground.zero.mosque/

New York mayor said"if we were to deny American Muslims the right to build a mosque where they choose. "To cave to popular sentiment would be to hand a victory to the terrorists," Bloomberg said. New York Congressman Jerrold Nadler, a mosque supporter, says, "Everybody's liberty is at stake here."

Side: Yes it should be allowed
zackkawa(8) Disputed
4 points

Is it worth it if it was to start a war between the Christians and Muslims which the Christians have already threatened to do.

Side: No, it should not
2 points

According to:

http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2011400,00.html

President Obama's statement on Aug. 13 endorsing "the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan"

Side: Yes it should be allowed
2 points

according to http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/05/07/new.york.ground.zero.mosque/

"The time for a center like this has come because Islam is an American religion," Khan said. "We need to take the 9/11 tragedy and turn it into something very positive." The Americans are only taking the negatives out of this structure they are not realizing that a 9/11 memorial is going to be included.

Side: Yes it should be allowed

"I think it's the right thing to do," said Marvin Bethea, who was a paramedic at ground zero. "I lost 16 friends down there. But Muslims also got killed on 9/11. They shouldn't be blaming Muslims because lots of Muslims died that day not only Christians

Side: Yes it should be allowed
zackkawa(8) Disputed
1 point

Just because a medic wants to have a mosque doesn't mean there should be one. Building a mosque in an area which muslim terrorists killed majority Christians and Jews would cause a lot of riots.

Side: No, it should not
Rufat(23) Disputed
1 point

The extremists responsible for 9/11 are Muslims, I think that is a good enough reason to blame them, because if it wasn't for them his friends wouldn't be dead.

Side: No, it should not

"Three hundred of the victims were Muslim, that's 10 percent of the victims," she said. "We are Americans too. The 9/11 tragedy hurt everybody including the Muslim community. We are all in this together and together we have to fight against extremism and terrorism."according to http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/05/07/new.york.ground.zero.mosque/

Side: Yes it should be allowed
3 points

Opening Statement:

Today we are here to argue whether or not a Muslim Community Center should be built near Ground Zero, where 9/11 commenced. Our opponent is going to try to prove to us today, that a Muslim Community Center should be built next to a place where a Muslim terrorist act was initiated. Anybody in America should be able to worship freely, like the 1st amendment states,our team, however, will try to prove to you that there is a limit to the amendment, and by building the Muslim community center, that limit is broken. First of all, as 9/11 was inspired by Islam, it would be purely insulting to the memories and families of those who lost their lives, to build a Mosque right there. Ground Zero should remain untouched and serve as a cemetery and a memorial to 9/11. Second of all, as Islam promotes equality, it seems wrong that no churches or synagogues are permitted to be built in Saudi Arabia, and that Christians and Jews are not allowed to enter Mecca. And so before questioning American ways, they should look over their own. Lastly, building the “Ground Zero Mosque” will spark protests and riots all over New York, and soon anti-Muslim extremists would launch attacks on the Mosque. This would endanger all the local residents. We believe that it would be beneficial for everybody, including Muslims, if the Mosque is not built there, as many losses could be avoided. The mosque could be built anywhere else in New York without any problems occurring. We will try and prove to you that “Ground Zero” is not the correct place for a mosque, and we hope by then end of the debate you will be on our side

Side: No, it should not
3 points

Before trying to build a Mosque in a controversial area, the Muslims should review their own views. As Islam promotes equality, it seems wrong that no churches or synagogues are permitted to be built in Saudi Arabia, and that Christians and Jews are not allowed to enter Mecca.

Side: No, it should not
taimurtareen(14) Disputed
3 points

Saudi Arabia have their own laws and America have the amendments if they did not something like this why create the amendments

Side: Yes it should be allowed
zackkawa(8) Disputed
0 points

First of all your grammar is off by a long shot, 2nd of all why should Christians and Jews not be allowed to practice their religion if muslims can in New York. This is abusing the amendments.

Side: No, it should not
marcaoun(14) Disputed
3 points

First of all Saudi Arabia have there own laws and Americans decided to make the amendment in favour of the people rights. And for the record Saudi Arabia is separate country that is based on religion and does not have the concept of freedom of religion.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
3 points

The spiritual leader of the so called “Ground Zero Mosque,” Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, is an Islamic extremist. He refused to acknowledge Hamas as a terrorist group. During an interview on September 30, 2001, he said that "the United States’ policies were an accessory to the crime” and that "Osama bin Laden was made in the USA.” Furthermore, in his speech in July, 2005, he said that "the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than Al Qaeda has on its hands of innocent non-Muslims.”

Side: No, it should not
3 points

According to an August 23, 2010 Fox News report, the “Ground Mosque” project was funded by Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal. It was discovered, that he also funded several fundamental Muslim schools. From this, it was concluded, that he has ties with the extremists, as 15 of the 19 people that day we from Saudi Arabia.

Side: No, it should not
3 points

Building an Islamic Mosque nearby a place where killings were inspired by it seems absurd, as a Serbian Orthodox church near the killing fields of Srebrenica, where 8,000 Muslims were brutally murdered would never be built, and neither would a pro-Japanese monument near Pearl Harbor.

Side: No, it should not
2 points

As 9/11 was inspired by Islam, it would be purely insulting to the memories and families of those who lost their lives on September 11, 2001. Leaving Ground Zero as it is, a memorial and a sacred burial, would be the correct thing to do.

Side: No, it should not
marcaoun(14) Disputed
3 points

If people get offended of the sight of 9/11 because it reminds them of the people that they lost they should not be living in that space if it is that traumatising for them.

Side: Yes it should be allowed
Rufat(23) Disputed
2 points

It's not the Ground Zero that offends them, it's the idea of a Mosque next to a place where chaos was caused by the inspiration of the mosque.

Side: No, it should not
MayaHamade(9) Disputed
3 points

I think they should change it because if ground zero stays the same it will remind them even more about their loss

Side: Yes it should be allowed
Rufat(23) Disputed
3 points

Change what? The past? Why would you destroy a memorial? How is wrecking a death bed of thousands good?

Side: No, it should not
2 points

According to former New York Mayor, Rudi Giuliani, “All the proposed Muslim community center near Ground Zero will do is create more division, more anger, and more hatred." This proves that building a mosque by Ground Zero will result in hatred towards the Muslims.

Side: No, it should not
marcaoun(14) Disputed
3 points

According to http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/05/07/new.york.ground.zero.mosque/ this is a piece from the text itself "The center is being built by a private organization on land it legally owns. Twenty-nine out of 30 lower Manhattan community-board members voted to approve it. By every legal standard, the case for allowing Park51 to be built is, in the words of conservative UCLA constitutional-law professor Eugene Volokh, "open and shut."

Side: Yes it should be allowed
Rufat(23) Disputed
1 point

What are you trying to prove. Most citizens are against the mosque, and they were the ones to disagree, because if the Mosque is built, the n they will be the ones in danger when the anti-Muslim extremists attack.

Side: No, it should not
2 points

Polls that were conducted to find out what people thought of the “Ground Zero Mosque” and these were the results against the Mosque: CNN - 68%, Rasmussen - 54%, and Quinnipiac - 71%.

Side: No, it should not

BIG DEAL so what people are against it or not the point is that it is their land they can do what they want with it

Side: No, it should not

Other names of the Mosque include: Cordoba Initiative and Park 51. According to former Speaker of the United States House of Representatives Newt Gingrich, "The name 'Cordoba House' is a deliberately insulting term that refers to Cordoba, Spain - the capital of Muslim conquerors who symbolized their victory over the Christian Spaniards by transforming a church there into the world's third-largest mosque complex." This is yet another proof of their unclear intentions.

Side: No, it should not
1 point

And this is why we believe that no Muslim community center should be built next to “Ground Zero.” It is wrong in many ways, and even though in America freedom of religion is guaranteed, there are limits to it. Firstly, as 9/11 was inspired by Islam, it would be purely insulting to the memories and families of those who lost their lives, to build a Mosque right there. Secondly, as Islam promotes equality, it seems wrong that no churches or synagogues are permitted to be built in Saudi Arabia, and that Christians and Jews are not allowed to enter Mecca. Lastly, building the “Ground Zero Mosque” will spark protests and riots all over New York, and soon anti-Muslim extremists would launch attacks on the Mosque. By avoiding building the community center, Muslims will guarantee a safe future, and many losses would be avoided and many lives saved. It is important not repeat past mistakes, as they all lead to chaos. Islam is all about peace, so it should be kept in mind while making the decision, because that decision decides the fate of innocent people that do not deserve to suffer.

Side: No, it should not
1 point

And this is why we believe that no Muslim community center should be built next to “Ground Zero.” It is wrong in many ways, and even though in America freedom of religion is guaranteed, there are limits to it. Firstly, as 9/11 was inspired by Islam, it would be purely insulting to the memories and families of those who lost their lives, to build a Mosque right there. Secondly, as Islam promotes equality, it seems wrong that no churches or synagogues are permitted to be built in Saudi Arabia, and that Christians and Jews are not allowed to enter Mecca. Lastly, building the “Ground Zero Mosque” will spark protests and riots all over New York, and soon anti-Muslim extremists would launch attacks on the Mosque. By avoiding building the community center, Muslims will guarantee a safe future, and many losses would be avoided and many lives saved. It is important not repeat past mistakes, as they all lead to chaos. Islam is all about peace, so it should be kept in mind while making the decision, because that decision decides the fate of innocent people that do not deserve to suffer.

Side: No, it should not
0 points

Building the “Ground Zero Mosque” will spark protests and riots all over New York. This would endanger all the local residents, as anti-Muslim extremists would launch attacks on the Mosque. On October 3, 2010, the NYPD confirmed that they were investigating death threats against Imam Rauf and his wife, Daisy Khan. A pastor from Florida threatened to burn 100 Qur’an’s on September 11, 2010, if the Mosque was built in the proposed location. An example of this story would be the bombing of Churches in Lahore, Pakistan in 2015. The bombing of 2 Christian Mosques resulted in at least 14 deaths and above 70 casualties. Violent riots and protest were sparked against the bombers, claimed to be Jamatul Ahrar. During the protest 2 people were accused of the bombings and killed by the mob. As well as this in Northern Nigeria a terrorist organization known as Boko Haram has been subject to killing thousands and thousands of people including the majority of them Christians. Goodluck Jonathan has even claimed that they have killed 13,000 people and recently around January several Churches were destroyed and several hundred people to even thousands of people were killed. This is just one of several examples why the Christians and Muslims are bashing heads so much currently. Even between the Muslims and the Jewish things are extremely heated with the Palestine/ Israel conflict occurring at this moment of time. Jews also feel that Muslims shouldn’t be able to open a mosque and opening a mosque wouldn’t only likely cause conflict in New York but would also cause conflict in Gaza, Jerusalem and the rest of Israel and Palestine.

Side: No, it should not
marcaoun(14) Disputed
2 points

PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT ON EARTH IS A "CHRISTIAN MOSQUE". IS THIS REALLY YOUR EVIDENCE? WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS INFORMATION FROM BECAUSE THIS LOOKS LIKE A LIE. SO DOES THAT MEAN ALL YOUR INFORMATION COULD BE FALSE!!

Side: Yes it should be allowed
Rufat(23) Disputed
1 point

It was meant to be Churches. Sorry for the mistake. It still makes sense.

Side: No, it should not